tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post8901061999831085701..comments2024-02-21T17:03:05.861-08:00Comments on Petrelis Files: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-42421946949434626672011-04-19T23:59:02.360-07:002011-04-19T23:59:02.360-07:00uhh Toby?
I don't think the F line has anythin...uhh Toby?<br />I don't think the F line has anything to do with why these businesses are closing.<br /><br />Just sayin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-23736240648897654822011-04-17T13:57:46.555-07:002011-04-17T13:57:46.555-07:00hi anonymous,
i was by rosenberg's deli on no...hi anonymous,<br /><br />i was by rosenberg's deli on noe street and asked the folks at the counter about the rumor they were closing. happy to say, as are they, that the deli is doing fine and has no plans to end their business operation opposite cafe flore. <br /><br />let's celebrate this business surviving and hopefully thriving.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-69780229853397267872011-04-17T08:45:40.867-07:002011-04-17T08:45:40.867-07:00thanks for the thoughtful comments about the chang...thanks for the thoughtful comments about the changes taking place in the castro today.<br /><br />i think MUMC and mark leno and scott wiener and other politicians, both gay and straight, are in deep denial about the decline of the gayborhood.<br /><br />we need MUMC and our pols to engage the wider community to address the closures, and why many of us have no reason to visit the castro and spend money.<br /><br />how many other venues have to close before our elected leaders get a clue about the situation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-75062834658415721942011-04-17T06:46:03.916-07:002011-04-17T06:46:03.916-07:00The 'F' line is a Disneyland kind of ride ...The 'F' line is a Disneyland kind of ride with old transit cars in fun colors designed to catch the imagination of tourists to get on them and go where they go. The 'F' line is not designed for the locals. How many locals want to go to Fisherman's wharf? The line is not modern mass transportation that runs throughout the City into so many neighborhoods. The line is designed to bring tourists to one specific location and they have been successful at that. The power of the Castro has been diminished over time, and now the zone is being overrun by outsiders. Soon the gay bars will be invaded by straights and taken over by them. Why couldn't the City protect this unique neighborhood and nourish it as the special place in history that it is. They did just the opposite. The straight world has all the neighborhoods in the world. Why couldn't there be one Castro in the world?<br /> <br /> One last thing about this affair. The reason I am so knowledgeable about all this is that I resent the intrusion an manipulation from behind the scenes of downtown money into the development and future of the Castro. Things change for sure, but the intrusion of the 'F' line into the Castro has changed forever a very special place in time, a historical place, some would call the spiritual home of gay life, a place where so much changed began and swept the world, the first this, the first that over and over again. I resent the behind the scenes manipulation of the Castro zone, a unique neighborhood in SF. No other neighborhood has had this kind of tourist development thrust upon it by the City. In my opinion it was a way to neutralize and change forever, even destroy gay power in the Castro. Now, at this point in time, we are seeing this influx of outsiders flooding the Castro and in effect destroying or if you like, changing forever something that in the future we will only read about of how it once was. And it was all done behind the backs of the residents of the neighborhood fooling them into thinking that the 'F' line was for them. People were charmed by the historic cars not seeing the ulterior motive behind this transportation line designed for tourists. Thank god for Mark Hustius for bringing some color and style into the Castro and others like Kirk Read and the Sisters. There used to be more color, there used to be young people living there, less so now, can't afford the rents. Its still home to thousands of gay people but their getting older and being pushed out. Nothing is real but change. I just don't like change done behind the backs of a community to in effect pull the rug out from under it, the Castro, that place where so much started and changed the world forever.Toby Wigginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347027414831622571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-1513868890358285062011-04-17T06:45:25.910-07:002011-04-17T06:45:25.910-07:00I said it 15 years ago when the F line opened in 1...I said it 15 years ago when the F line opened in 1995 that it the City was creating the forces for the neighborhood to change and gay people said, 'no way, the Castor will always be gay', and here we are 15 years later and we got a law passed that says that chains can't come into the district and now we are seeing this influx of outsiders flooding the Castro and I'll say it one more time, that if you don't protect your neigborhood you deserve to lose it.<br /><br />I had a great idea for the different light bookstore and turning it into a community space for events, fundraising, yoga, art shows, ballroom dancing, commitment ceremonies, receptions, children's parties, and what do I get is a lot of people ignoring the idea and saying, 'too bad its closing', 'we'll miss it', and no one picks up on the idea and people seem to be defeatist. Protect it or lose it, its that simple.<br /><br />Its unprecedented to build a streetcar line from a major tourist zone into a city neighborhood, not any neighborhood but the Castro, the only gay neighborhood like it in the world, and why, we think to change it forever, and the powers that be did, and the tourist dollar increased property values and commercial rents went up and the familiar shops slowly closed. And what will replace them? Will it turn into another tourist zone like Fisherman's wharf with Tshirt shops. Who will stop this desecration. Is it too late. Are we all tired of this story.Toby Wigginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347027414831622571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-31248933771967306992011-04-16T22:49:32.719-07:002011-04-16T22:49:32.719-07:00I heard tonight that the Capri Ristorante on Marke...I heard tonight that the Capri Ristorante on Market Street is also closing as is the Italian deli on Noe Street across Noe from Cafe Flore.<br /><br />unconfirmed rumors at this point but hot off the pressAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-18671293659059942132011-04-15T12:42:58.937-07:002011-04-15T12:42:58.937-07:00It seems that there have been a lot of closures in...It seems that there have been a lot of closures in the Castro lately, but I don't know if this means "the end of the gayborhood" as much as it sign that the Castro is subject to the same business cycles as the rest of the world. These were not thriving, vibrant businesses that suddenly collapsed, but were becoming increasingly marginal as they went on. I don't think there's any lack of money in the Castro to support businesses, I just think that the businesses need to keep thinking about how they can be competitive and offer what the neighborhood residents want and need.The Jaded Gay DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07060432181378149931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-75426645962638874832011-04-15T12:08:14.132-07:002011-04-15T12:08:14.132-07:00When I first visited San Francisco in the 80s, it ...When I first visited San Francisco in the 80s, it was like "Gay Disney" to me. Years later, it started to dwindle and the influx of strollers and generic retail was taking over. Did the Castro serve all of it's usefulness or are we finding that we don't need a "safe" district? As we become more accepted, it appears more and more metropolitan areas are losing their gay districs.Scott Larsonhttp://www.cockpitmn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-2193686987020874382011-04-15T11:24:41.653-07:002011-04-15T11:24:41.653-07:00Yes its sad to see business leave the Castro and g...Yes its sad to see business leave the Castro and great places and events in the Castro leave as well. <br /><br />Organizations that did great things for the community say 10 or 20 years ago are getting bogged down with "clicky" attitudes and forcing out people who love to volunteer or to even attend the events. I don't think the area needs a Renaissance but a Revolution.evilgenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053255646607274811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-44879642718656288382011-04-15T07:46:31.134-07:002011-04-15T07:46:31.134-07:00I think what we're seeing now is the endgame o...I think what we're seeing now is the endgame of the Great Gay Neighborhood. Soon the only Gay thing left here will be that flag. What I naively thought was revolutionary and permanent when I moved to SF in the '70s has barely lasted 40 years.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-44932328749790812112011-04-15T05:35:44.308-07:002011-04-15T05:35:44.308-07:00One thing I might remind folks about A Different L...One thing I might remind folks about A Different Light is that it has NOT been a community asset for over a decade now. The days of ADL as a mini community center are long gone! That's because a lot of the staff (myself included) quit 10 years ago after the new owners stripped the store of its incredible stock and cut back the hours of a person with AIDS so that he'd lose his benefits, despite his begging them not to do it. In the past decade, they have not been a hub for our community. When my anthology on gay liberation (Smash the Church, Smash the State) came out, they told a friend they weren't going to carry it. The Castro kickoff was not at ADL but Books, Inc. I'm not shedding tears over losing ADL, because we lost it when Richard LaBonté and the wonderful staff that used to run it left the store.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com