tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post8319226942625965762..comments2024-02-21T17:03:05.861-08:00Comments on Petrelis Files: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-72568662800353878722009-07-25T17:33:06.700-07:002009-07-25T17:33:06.700-07:00The other commenter is absolutely correct. It was ...The other commenter is absolutely correct. It was painfully obvious that there was still much blame going around for 2008's failures, and anyone with any idea of what has gone on was clear that there was much more going on in the unsaid than there was heard in the said. <br /><br />There was a concern amongst some commenters in the stream's chatroom that EQCA had funded many of the orgs participating in the Summit, and that it was driving some of the voting (if you want to call it that, it really was a mess of voting on voting to vote in attempts to secure an ostensibly required consensus, Michael) and many of the things being said in the room. I don't know much about EQCA's financials, but I'm going to look into it. Many also felt that EQCA may have encouraged failure so a coalition-based decision would cause continued delay and the 2010 effort would be scuttled or weakened. <br /><br />At the end, the "Coalition of the Willing for 2010" supporters, who seemed to have won a majority vote but not a consensus vote, announced a meeting on August 15 in LA (check with the One Struggle One Fight Folks for specifics, I remembered their being mentioned as part of the effort/coalition). The "Prepare to Prevail" people got up and plugged their website, but I heard no meeting announcements. So to answer your question, Michael, it's as clear as mud what will happen next.Jeffrey Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06765781182921492543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-55435474127538214262009-07-25T17:17:21.375-07:002009-07-25T17:17:21.375-07:00i tuned in and out of it for about two hours, mayb...i tuned in and out of it for about two hours, maybe closer to three, and was impressed when the camera panned around the room. it was packed with people. <br /><br />thumbs up for the good turnout, and for getting the streaming to happen at the last minute.<br /><br />it would have helped this at home viewer if an agenda has been publicized further, and more forethought given to the streaming. i was lost at times at who was who and what they were talking about, or if they represented a group in CA.<br /><br />thumbs down for not making transparency/streaming part of the meeting from the start of the organizing process. <br /><br />if we can't even manage to properly engage the online community that can't always attend the meetings, and set up simply streaming, don't try and convince me this crew is also ready to raised tens of millions of dollars for a ballot initiative in 2010 (ha!) or even in 2012.<br /><br />what happens know? are any more state summits like this planned? more info, please.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-78956539683491890322009-07-25T16:52:14.660-07:002009-07-25T16:52:14.660-07:00I just finished watching and wanted to report back...I just finished watching and wanted to report back. <br /><br />The summit was not a success, and seemed to be descending into chaos as things ended. There was no structure, no good moderation and it seemed rather hastily and ill-prepared. <br /><br />The good news is that many people saw this online, will be as appalled as I am and will demand better from so-called "leaders" as a result.Jeffrey Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06765781182921492543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-45907126233793206502009-07-25T12:06:35.622-07:002009-07-25T12:06:35.622-07:00I have been listening to the live stream and I am ...I have been listening to the live stream and I am very familiar with the dynamics of this movement at this time and I am an expert in communication and problem solving and rhetoric. Here is my observation:<br /><br />It is fine to argue for using the strategies of the president yet you have to recognize what is similar about this campaign (the issues and people) to the president AND what is different--you just do not naively lay over a campaign structure without talking openly about the unique dynamics of GLBT movements and politics. NO one is talking about this.<br /><br />Second,and for me more importantly--on paper yes we need a central message and a central person/sm group who directs (the example given was BO did not allow infighting) yet that is not going to happen until there is a public hearing on what went wrong in 2008. More specifically, the Challenger went down because of a defective O ring. Organizations like EQCA keep noting that yes they put in a deffection O ring--sorry. What HAS to be revealed is how it was in their backstage problem solving they arrived at the decision to place those rings in the Challenge. NO one has been able to make public the defects in their problem solving in the first place. The two consultants who they have hired back to work on this campaign need to be asked in their forum (a) why should their advice be trusted now and (b) from their wisdom as consultants--step back--and tell us how come No on 8 failed? I do not want to hear that they were late on money raising, their ads were wrong, they ignored Central Valley etc--I want to hear what went wrong in the back stage infrastructure and problem solving dynamics.<br /><br />If these issues are not confronted and moved beyond we will NEVER trust a person or sm group to direct this campaign because the underlying toxic patterns of leadership and problem solving will only erode those efforts and we will find ourselves some time in the future scratching our heads and blaming so and so and wondering why we just cannot get it together--look at material written about GLBT movements and you will see from day one the same damn problems plaguing us--not the least of which is our tendency to cannibalize emerging leaders--if this psychosis is not healed. . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-71467461088179891392009-07-24T17:59:32.189-07:002009-07-24T17:59:32.189-07:00Thanks very much for your efforts here, Michael. T...Thanks very much for your efforts here, Michael. This is a great step towards the transparency and accountability we all deserve. <br /><br />Streaming is relatively easy and very inexpensive, and it's unacceptable to not stream any major LGBT org meeting that is open to the public.Jeffrey Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06765781182921492543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-57563003951706577122009-07-24T17:27:12.699-07:002009-07-24T17:27:12.699-07:00Hurrah, Michael, for encouraging the commitment to...Hurrah, Michael, for encouraging the commitment to and value of "sunshine" here in extremely overcast CA. And to those makin' it happen with next to no advance! Don't stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com