tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post8120944641689676370..comments2024-02-21T17:03:05.861-08:00Comments on Petrelis Files: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-55679238586504517702009-07-14T01:11:01.859-07:002009-07-14T01:11:01.859-07:00Thanks for the information. I find it fascinating...Thanks for the information. I find it fascinating that non-profits can pay very good salary and benefits in the good years, but when the economy tightens up they still seem to pull in relatively big paydays.<br /><br />After seeing your numbers for SF, I checked out the same types of organizations here in LA for comparison.<br /><br />For APLA (Aids Project Los Angeles) the Executive Director Craig Thomson earned a total of $243,483 on the latest IRS 990. Their total budget was around $17.9 million. So our guy gets about the same as yours running a smaller organization. However in comparing the other salaries, no one is even close to the SF AIDS Foundation numbers of around $200k. At APLA the Director of Education George Ayala received around $164k and everyone else is in under $125k.<br /><br />Project Angel Food, similar to your Project Open Hand, has a budget of around $5.6 million (again smaller than your organization’s $10.2 million). The CEO John Gile received $178,239, the CFO Ben Stilp got $104,615 and others were under $90k. These guys are definitely under the SF pay scale, but it is a much smaller organization.<br /><br />Are these paydays out of line? I guess it depends on who you ask. For running relatively small NON-PROFIT organizations I think they are doing pretty well, as you point out in comparison with the guys who run the Public Health Department. In LA the Director of Public Health receives $260,000 for administering a budget of $3.4 billion.<br /><br />Here’s how I look at it. If you are earning $250,000 per year, that means that every day you go to work you take home $961. My suggestion is that if these guys could learn to live with getting maybe even $750 each day they would be able to add another $55k to the budget that goes to the people the organization is set up to serve. And because it is tough times for everyone, if they could live on just $500 per day, that would mean that $120k could be freed up. I just imagine that most of the people who are using the services of APLA or Project Angel Food would be very happy to have a $500 a day paycheck.<br /><br />Keep up the good work there.<br /><br />--TomTri Tech Globalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17813773945523080166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-34366449751986408632009-07-01T15:57:25.441-07:002009-07-01T15:57:25.441-07:00from an community leader very concerned with these...from an community leader very concerned with these matters, and who doesn't totally agree with my focus. glad he expressed his thoughts. -michael<br /><br /><br /><br />A few thoughts:<br /><br />1. I would not to put too much weight on the size of the organization relative to the compensation. It isn't irrelevant, but there are other factors that are just as or more important.<br /><br />2. Don't let the boards of directors off the hook by just talking about the ED and not making the board responsible for what the ED is paid. I don't begrudge the individuals for advocating for whatever compensation they feel they deserve, but I do hold boards responsible for what they agree to pay people. Like in DC with Food and Friends, I heard 100 people trash Craig Schneiderman for his enormous salary for every person who even mentioned the idea that his board might be culpable. Craig may deserve such trashing--I don't know--but I know that any board that approves a salary that is such an outlier, so far from the norm, better be prepared to offer a vigorous defense of it. <br /><br />3. You reference raises, but don't say how much they are or put them in context with the CPI or with entitlement programs or anything like that.<br /><br />4. The ratio between the lowest-paid full-time employee and the highest-paid full-time employee at an organization is useful to consider.<br /><br />5. What kind of retirement/pension benefits do any of these jobs offer, if any. I have heard of non-profits offering pensions to executives who have worked x number of years; not sure if that would be included in the compensation package information you've received.<br /><br />6. If you've got the energy, creating a visual showing the cross-directorships and interlocking relationshps between agencies and elected officials could be interesting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-18275353366670008682009-07-01T15:45:52.925-07:002009-07-01T15:45:52.925-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.com