tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post5338693499668608987..comments2024-02-21T17:03:05.861-08:00Comments on Petrelis Files: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-21417499410779091492014-05-26T18:35:30.070-07:002014-05-26T18:35:30.070-07:00Hi Bert,
I agree with you. After reading up on To...Hi Bert,<br /><br />I agree with you. After reading up on Tobias Simon and learning he supported Martin Luther King Jr and was against the death penalty, I believe his thinking on gays and gay marriage would have seriously evolved.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-10847057523465111912014-05-26T13:34:00.879-07:002014-05-26T13:34:00.879-07:00I also was surprised to hear Tobias Simon's po...I also was surprised to hear Tobias Simon's position on this. He was an adjunct professor at Florida State's law school one semester, and I took a course from him working on improving conditions for prisoners in Florida. I thought he was one of the most progressive people I have ever met. He died in 1982. I cannot imagine his views would have remained static.Bert Whitakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-11707239258594868142014-05-26T11:12:34.293-07:002014-05-26T11:12:34.293-07:00And the last bit of commentary from Michael Bedwel...And the last bit of commentary from Michael Bedwell:<br /><br />Given Tobias Simon says during the program that “Toleration, not encouragement, is society's maximum obligation to the homosexual,” one was surprised to learn that he was a highly respected defense attorney for Martin Luther King, Jr., and other black civil rights activists in the 1960s, and crusaded against the death penalty and loyalty oaths. A Pro Bono Service Award was created in his name in Florida which, ironically, at least one recipient won for fighting for gay and lesbian rights. I was unable to learn whether Tobias evolved during the eight years he lived after the program, just as I was his anti equality “witness” Robin Smith who, today, is a professor emeritus at Texas A&M. Nor could I find what the result was of asking viewers to “vote" after the show.<br /><br />BUT HERE’S TO FRANK who would have turned 89 last Thursday! He may not have lived to see our growing victories for marriage equality for those who want it but this video proves they are among the many things he helped make happen. And, he, TOO, deserves his own stamp and Presidential Medal of Freedom.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-51749086810444094782014-05-26T11:11:49.665-07:002014-05-26T11:11:49.665-07:00More from Michael Bedwell:
RE THE “DEBATE”: While...More from Michael Bedwell:<br /><br />RE THE “DEBATE”: While Socarides and Frank obviously crossed verbal swords, it’s important to understand how much they truly loathed each other behind these scenes. The two had first sparred seven years before when the Pentagon called him as an “expert witness” against a gay man for whom Frank and Barbara Gittings were trying to get a security clearance. “We cross-examined him for some three hours, in dumbfounded horror at what he was saying. The Pentagon removed him from their list of expert witnesses right after that hearing and so informed us formally." And Socarides came to the filming that night still outraged about the tectonic shift that had happened just the month before but only briefly touched upon in the program.<br /><br />The previous December, after years of effort that included an explosive zap of the 1971 national convention of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) during which Frank famously commandeered the microphone and denounced the psychiatrists sitting before him as the enemy, he, Gittings, Jack Nichols, and others including straight allies had convinced the APA Board of Trustees to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. Socarides went ballistic, demanding that the board let the entire APA membership vote. At 10:20 a.m., that April 7th, in the board room of the APA’s Washington DC headquarters, Frank and National Gay Task Force executive director Bruce Voeller, bathed in the bright light of network TV cameras, heard the results of the referendum in which 10,555 psychiatrists took part. “YES” (supporting the change): 4,854. “NO”: 3,810. “ABSTAIN”: 367. By 58% THE first great victory of the Movement outside of the courts was ratified, and it remains vitally important today. Voeller wrote shortly afterward: “…the REAL struggle is for recognition that gays love and care for each other. If you can’t stand or understand affection and caring you’re a homophobe.” Though Socarides lost the vote and his son, Richard, turned out to be gay—and the video reveals what a lunatic he was—he went to his grave still unable to stand or understand; and the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) that he cofounded in 1992 still exists, and teaches that being gay is a choice that can be changed. Frank’s four words in response to learning of Socarides’ death in 2005: "Dreadful man. Good riddance."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-81156371768380565462014-05-26T11:10:41.560-07:002014-05-26T11:10:41.560-07:00This message is from Michael Bedwell, longtime adv...This message is from Michael Bedwell, longtime advocate:<br /><br /> <br />Glad you found this treasure, too. Couldn't post a comment, for some reason, to your article about it, but here 'tis should you wish to share any of it with your readers. Thanks. <br /><br />SOME MORE BACKGROUND. First to the issue of when the legal fight for marriage equality began. As the moderator notes, there were court cases going on when the “debate” was broadcast in May 1974. As best as I’ve been able to determine, the first two were in 1970. A., in Los Angeles on behalf of Neva Heckman and Judith Bellew whom Rev. Troy Perry had “married” in 1969 (one of several such ceremonies he had begun doing). The premise was that they had been together two years, and, thus, fit the California definition of “common law marriage” which apparently did not specify gender, but the lawsuit was rejected by the court. [Heckman apparently later identified as transgender.] And, B., the efforts of Jack Baker and Michael McConnell in Minnesota, which more are aware of, to first get a license in 1970 (which failed), and, then, to have their 1971 marriage (via a license deceptively obtained using the androgynous name Baker had legally taken, “Pat Lynn McConnell”) recognized. Both state and federal courts ruled against them, yet today—despite earned praise for their efforts—they still, rather sadly, insist that they have always been legally married because “no court has ever ordered [its] annulment”—as if courts would something they don’t recognize EXISTING in the first place. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359712473083091475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-77529934412705049212014-05-26T07:59:41.716-07:002014-05-26T07:59:41.716-07:00Wow what a great find. Frank Kameny was so far ahe...Wow what a great find. Frank Kameny was so far ahead of his time a real pioneer. Just one small quibble as the originator of the phrase Gay is good, I think he won't mind the use of the term gay instead of homosexual, I know he very much objected to the use of the word Queer. Bill Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141703.post-56964113367661143482014-05-26T05:29:39.621-07:002014-05-26T05:29:39.621-07:00Kameny would defend equality for gays in every are...Kameny would defend equality for gays in every area, including marriage, and he celebrated every victory. In 1974 he was probably the best-known gay advocate among a pool that was very limited in number. He certainly was one of the most articulate and experienced, so it is no surprise that he would appear on the program. However, he was strategic in his efforts and in directing his energy. At no time during his long career was he a pro-active advocate or organizer on the issue of marriage. <br /><br />While others had advocated on marriage before Wolfson, such as Baker and McConnell’s 1974 lawsuit, and others attempted to marry even earlier, those were flashes in the pan that quickly died out and had no long-term impact. <br /><br />In contrast, Wolfson has made marriage the central issue of his activism from his days in law school. Those efforts have been sustained and have achieved success. His claim to having launched the marriage movement is valid. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01246531735093591707noreply@blogger.com